The View From 1776

Seeing God

Atheists, agnostics, and those simply unchurched perceive God in a very different way from Christians.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 06/25 at 12:12 AM
  1. "Confirmed atheists say that their reason tells them to accept life, indeed the entire cosmos, as a meaningless coincidence of random variables, that things and life just happened to evolve as we see them today. "

    As an unbeliever, I can say that this does not even come close to my way of seeing things. Finding order is natural to the universe. Even where entropy seems triumpant, order makes itself known. Life is one of those organizations. It needs no "meaning" but exists on its own, just as nature in its stages. Toddlers need meaning to explain their existence. Facts wont work with the weak. They have to be harnessed to some "other-world" in order to feel whole. Thats pathetic.

    And just what kind of word is meaningless? Is that in the matter of the universe's proposed purpose? Or is it a begging for meaning in life that believers seem to lack without their fairytales. My life is full of meaning and beauty.

    Occams Razor: The universe has always existed in some state is more logical than God has always existed. You can believe as you wish but the use of Occham's Razor is a logical default position until hard evidence says otherwise.

    Having no faith in supernatural fairytalers is not synonymous with not having values and meanings. You people are oblivious to apparent reality, creating a fairytale to protect you from sensing your mortality. Blabbering about the next life while insulting the beauty and worth of this one.

    As Jefferson said, Christianity is half fools and half hypocrites. I might add crybabies and intolerant ones at that. Most conservative christians are like angry children that throw their toys if they dont have everyone's attention or are king of the hill. Again, pathetic people no different than the conservative Muslim. (Chopping off heads for "wrong religion" was BIG in Medieval times). As Adams said, the CROSS has caused the world the greatest pain and suffering. As Paine said, the Bible is an insult to the almighty and Christianity is repugnant to reason. As Madison said in his remonstrance against the backweardness of patrick henry, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."


    Vanity, vanity, I saith, you chase the wind with your supernatural foolishness, acting as if its fact. Its faith and blind faith at that.

    ........And divide humanity.
    Posted by James Veverka  on  06/25  at  08:17 AM
  2. There is order to the universe but the force that creates lifeforms is different in that it doesn't just create order but order in a living, breathing, organism. Can life be destroyed anymore than gravity? No, because it is a force, not just a lifeform. That people name that force that creates order AND lifeforms, God, is not unnatural. We name everything so we can communicate with others our knowledge or questions about those things.

    The Bible is such a wealth of wisdom about human nature and how fallible man is and how in spited of centuries of history, man still thinks he can "beat the odds." While some can, it seems, such as the partaker of prostitutes who never catches a disease, man in general doesn't escape the odds.

    Remember that some of our founders were federalists and some were anti-federalists. Some wanted a strong central government and were fools to think that was good for a "republic." At the same time one could say that many who wanted strong state rights were "evil" for some wanted that so they could continue things like slavery.

    Man is a mess. Only the order we find in God and the discipline required to follow the order needed for human interaction that is peaceful will satisfy the "good" man. When we leave it to man to find that order, we find that in every case it deteriorates into things like socialism, dictatorships, poverty, oppression, etc. Man is incapable of orderly living in the long run but, can appear to be doing OK in the short run.

    We think a hundred or two hundred years is a long time and some kind of proof of success. But, it is a blink of the eye in the history of nature and an illusion many times to think a few centuries is proof of man's ability to create order in society.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  06/25  at  09:47 AM
  3. Consider:
    The missing element in every human 'solution' is
    an accurate definition of the creature.

    The way we define 'human' determines our view of self,
    others, relationships, institutions, life, and future. Many
    problems in human experience are the result of false
    and inaccurate definitions of humankind premised
    in man-made religions and humanistic philosophies.

    Human knowledge is a fraction of the whole universe.
    The balance is a vast void of human ignorance. Human
    reason cannot fully function in such a void; thus, the
    intellect can rise no higher than the criteria by which it
    perceives and measures values.

    Humanism makes man his own standard of measure.
    However, as with all measuring systems, a standard
    must be greater than the value measured. Based on
    preponderant ignorance and an egocentric carnal
    nature, humanism demotes reason to the simpleton
    task of excuse-making in behalf of the rule of appe-
    tites, desires, feelings, emotions, and glands.

    Because man, hobbled in an ego-centric predicament,
    cannot invent criteria greater than himself, the humanist
    lacks a predictive capability. Without instinct or trans-
    cendent criteria, humanism cannot evaluate options with
    foresight and vision for progression and survival. Lack-
    ing foresight, man is blind to potential consequence and
    is unwittingly committed to mediocrity, collectivism,
    averages, and regression - and worse. Humanism is an
    unworthy worship.

    The void of human ignorance can easily be filled with
    a functional faith while not-so-patiently awaiting the
    foot-dragging growth of human knowledge and behav-
    ior. Faith, initiated by the Creator and revealed and
    validated in His Word, the Bible, brings a transcend-
    ent standard to man the choice-maker. Other philo-
    sophies and religions are man-made, humanism, and
    thereby lack what only the Bible has:

    1.Transcendent Criteria and
    2.Fulfilled Prophetic Validation.

    The vision of faith in God and His Word is survival
    equipment for today and the future. Only the Creator,
    who made us in His own image, is qualified to define
    us accurately.

    Human is earth's Choicemaker. Psalm 25:12 He is by
    nature and nature's God a creature of Choice - and of
    Criteria. Psalm 119:30,173 His unique and definitive
    characteristic is, and of Right ought to be, the natural
    foundation of his environments, institutions, and re-
    spectful relations to his fellow-man. Thus, he is orien-
    ted to a Freedom whose roots are in the Order of the universe. selah

    Each individual human being possesses a unique, highly
    developed, and sensitive perception of variety. Thus
    aware, man is endowed with a natural capability for enact-
    ing internal mental and external physical selectivity.
    Quantitative and qualitative choice-making thus lends
    itself as the superior basis of an active intelligence.

    Human is earth's Choicemaker. His title describes
    his definitive and typifying characteristic. Recall
    that his other features are but vehicles of experi-
    ence intent on the development of perceptive
    awareness and the following acts of decision and
    choice. Note that the products of man cannot define
    him for they are the fruit of the discerning choice-
    making process and include the cognition of self,
    the utility of experience, the development of value-
    measuring systems and language, and the accultur-
    ation of civilization.

    The arts and the sciences of man, as with his habits,
    customs, and traditions, are the creative harvest of
    his perceptive and selective powers. Creativity, the
    creative process, is a choice-making process. His
    articles, constructs, and commodities, however
    marvelous to behold, deserve neither awe nor idol-
    atry, for man, not his contrivance, is earth's own
    highest expression of the creative process.

    Human is earth's Choicemaker. The sublime and
    significant act of choosing is, itself, the Archimedean
    fulcrum upon which man levers and redirects the
    forces of cause and effect to an elected level of qual-
    ity and diversity. Further, it orients him toward a
    natural environmental opportunity, freedom, and
    bestows earth's title, The Choicemaker, on his
    singular and plural brow.

    - from The Human Paradigm
    Posted by Choicemaker  on  06/25  at  09:09 PM
  4. Deterministic systems, ideological symbols of abdication
    by man from his natural role as earth's Choicemaker,
    inevitably degenerate into collectivism; the negation of
    singularity, they become a conglomerate plural-based
    system of measuring human value. Blunting an awareness
    of diversity, blurring alternatives, and limiting the
    selective creative process, they are self-relegated to
    a passive and circular regression.

    Tampering with man's selective nature endangers his
    survival for it would render him impotent and obsolete
    by denying the tools of variety, individuality,
    perception, criteria, selectivity, and progress.
    Coercive attempts produce revulsion, for such acts
    are contrary to an indeterminate nature and nature's
    indeterminate off-spring, man the Choicemaker.

    Until the oppressors discover that wisdom only just
    begins with a respectful acknowledgment of The Creator,
    The Creation, and The Choicemaker, they will be ever
    learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
    The rejection of Creator-initiated standards relegates
    the mind of man to its own primitive, empirical, and
    delimited devices. It is thus that the human intellect
    cannot ascend and function at any level higher than the
    criteria by which it perceives and measures values.

    Additionally, such rejection of transcendent criteria
    self-denies man the vision and foresight essential to
    decision-making for survival and progression. He is left,
    instead, with the redundant wreckage of expensive hind-
    sight, including human institutions characterized by
    averages, mediocrity, and regression.

    Humanism, mired in the circular and mundane egocentric
    predicament, is ill-equipped to produce transcendent
    criteria. Evidenced by those who do not perceive
    superiority and thus find themselves beset by the shifting
    winds of the carnal-ego; i.e., moods, feelings, desires,
    appetites, etc., the mind becomes subordinate: a mere
    device for excuse-making and rationalizing self-justifica-

    The carnal-ego rejects criteria and self-discipline for such
    instruments are tools of the mind and the attitude. The
    appetites of the flesh have no need of standards for at the
    point of contention standards are perceived as alien, re-
    strictive, and inhibiting. Yet, the very survival of our
    physical nature itself depends upon a maintained sover-
    eignty of the mind and of the spirit.

    It remained, therefore, to the initiative of a personal
    and living Creator to traverse the human horizon and
    fill the vast void of human ignorance with an intelli-
    gent and definitive faith. Man is thus afforded the
    prime tool of the intellect - a Transcendent Standard
    by which he may measure values in experience, anticipate
    results, and make enlightened and visionary choices.

    Only the unique and superior God-man Person can deserved-
    ly displace the ego-person from his predicament and free
    the individual to measure values and choose in a more
    excellent way. That sublime Person was indicated in the
    words of the prophet Amos, "...said the Lord, Behold,
    I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel."
    Y'shua Mashiyach Jesus said, "If I be lifted up I will
    draw all men unto myself."

    As long as some choose to abdicate their personal reality
    and submit to the delusions of humanism, determinism, and
    collectivism, just so long will they be subject and re-
    acting only, to be tossed by every impulse emanating from
    others. Those who abdicate such reality may, in perfect
    justice, find themselves weighed in the balances of their
    own choosing.

    That human institution which is structured on the
    principle, "...all men are endowed by their Creator with
    ...Liberty...," is a system with its roots in the natural
    Order of the universe. The opponents of such a system are
    necessarily engaged in a losing contest with nature and
    nature's God. Biblical principles are still today the
    foundation under Western Civilization and the American
    way of life. To the advent of a new season we commend the
    present generation and the "multitudes in the valley of

    Let us proclaim it. Behold!
    The Season of Generation-Choicemaker Joel 3:14 KJV
    Posted by Choicemaker  on  06/25  at  09:11 PM
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