The View From 1776

Iraq Policy and Public Opinion

With mounting stridency, news media demand to know why President Bush fails to bow to public opinion expressed in the recent Congressional elections and pull our troops out of Iraq.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/27 at 01:24 AM
  1. I partially agree with this thesis: it's true that most voters are unqualified to make tactical decisions about foreign policy, etc. However, voters do have a valid opinion about the direction the country is moving. So while it's not appropriate to vote on what the army should do in Iraq, it is appropriate to vote on whether the army belongs in Iraq. Otherwise, why even bother with this whole representative democracy thing?

    But I think Mr. Brewton is actually trying to have his cake and eat it too. He does not trust voters to make decision about foreign policy, so we should trust the experts. However, we shouldn't trust experts in congress (eg Murtha) or on the Iraq Study Group. Presumably we should only trust experts that agree with Mr. Brewton. So apparently voters can make decisions about foreign policy, so long as their opinion agrees with Mr. Brewton's.
    Posted by squantum  on  12/27  at  10:54 AM
  2. I disagree that "a basic tenet of liberal-socialist-progressive, mainstream opinion is that wars are caused by capitalist greed."

    There was very little opposition in the mainstream left to the first Gulf War, or to the Afghanistan war. These wars were considered just.

    The reason some claim this latest misadventure is caused by capitalist greed is because there doesn't seem to be any other good reason.
    Posted by squantum  on  12/27  at  10:57 AM
  3. Give it time. Bush will come under increasing pressure from all quarters to think differently about Iraq. The Democratic Congress now holding the purse strings will also alter Bush's approach because he will now have to been accountable to it.

    The command of the Iraqi war must be taken away from Bush!
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/27  at  11:24 AM
  4. If your 'value system' is based on humanistic opinion, then you can only reach a materialistic conclusion. Your blind-eyed confession makes this plain.

    No human thought and opinion is any better than its criteria. And, since man-made criteria rises no higher in quality than the hairline, it is small wonder that mediocre humanism loves socialistic fairy tales and its side-effect: pap.

    Blessing our fellow creatures with human Freedom has always been a worthy reason to sacrifice life and resources. Our own future generations will benefit from a present visionary view of their future - even as our ancestors blessed us in the midst of tyrannical assault.

    Such a view is not posssible on the part of those whose opinions lack Transcendent (non-manmade) Criteria. The distinction between statesmen and politicos is Loyalty to Principle: the enablement of vision into an otherwise unknown future.

    Trust a poll of a 'majority?' Might just as well order a few hundred white canes.

    "Man cannot make or invent or contrive principles. He
    can only discover them and he ought to look through the
    discovery to the Author." -- Thomas Paine 1797

    "Got Criteria?" See Psalm 119:1-176

    semper fidelis
    Posted by Choicemaker  on  12/27  at  11:37 AM
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    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/27  at  12:32 PM
  6. The democrats may actually raise troop levels. They know the dollar is dependent on oil too. They also know that while they were able to use the war for political gain, they now have to act responsibly. There is a very good chance of more, not less troops in Iraq under a democratic Congress because Democrats are split on this issue as were Republicans.

    I have no idea which way they will end up going but, the words since the election are not nearly as strong as before regarding withdrawal. Iraq is even more important now that Iran's oil production is declining. Democrats know that. It will also be interesting what Democrats do about Iran since the U.N. has unanimously sanctioned Iran's nuclear program.

    Some of them have been calling for tough stand on Iran. Also, you can't take the "war" away from the President. He is the "Commander in Chief" and while they can take funding away, they probably won't because they would lose the veteran vote and vote of moderate democrats and independents in enough numbers in a split voting nation to lose elections. They gain more by "complaining" but voting for funding as they have been doing.

    But, again, it may go either way given how split they are on more troops or withdrawal or keep it the same.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/27  at  12:48 PM
  7. Young David,
    Thinking (otherwise) proves materialists cannot think. Why the imitation, little unqualified Canadian?

    Even glandular secretions cannot think - and make choices.

    Socialism, and their self-proclaimed elites, love your slavish non-thinking submission to their lack of Criteria higher than the belly-button.

    Since humans lack even instinct; lotsa luck. (You already know the variety you & it will reap.)

    Don't complain to Mommy.
    Posted by Choicemaker  on  12/27  at  02:20 PM
  8. What a muddle you are in Mr. Choicemaker.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/27  at  02:59 PM
  9. Actually, it is socialist who are in a muddle. Their good intentions keep driving their nations into economic trouble because they can't compete with capitalist nations. Canada is facing the huge healthcare problems it has with doctors leaving, long waits and rising costs.
    quote:
    Canuck manufacturing sector losing steam
    By Ottawa Business Journal Staff
    Mon, Feb 13, 2006 3:00 PM EST

    Canada's manufacturing sector lost 42,000 jobs last month, according to Statistics Canada, bringing total manufacturing job losses to 200,000 since November 2002.
    snip---------------------
    "Most manufacturing jobs being lost are those of full-time employees with average or above average wages, but two-thirds of the new jobs created last year were either temporary or self-employed, and most were created in low-wage sectors," he continued. "It has to be appreciated that the spin-off impacts of high value-added manufacturing and resource industries are a source of many high-quality services jobs."

    Statistics Canada's Labour Force Survey reports that in January 2006, unemployment in the sector edged up to 6.6 per cent, from 6.5 per cent in December 2005. Youth unemployment is up to 12.4 per cent. A large proportion of the new jobs created in January were part-time. The survey also says that last month, in Canada, there were 1,152,500 Canadians who wanted to work but did not have a job.
    http://www.ottawabusinessjournal.com/285404768381667.php
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    The Canadian unemployment is even worse than the U.S. rate.

    Again, I am not saying Canada is better or worse but rather, like the U.S. and all socialist nations, in trouble because of socialism's cost to society and how it grows dependence on government and the more it does, the more it drives business and jobs out of the nation and keeps wages lower.

    Maybe that is why Canada's government is looking at becoming a union with a common currency as is the U.S. It won't help but, desperate times make for desperate alliances.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/27  at  03:18 PM
  10. "Actually, it is socialist who are in a muddle."

    I can here 'actually' said in that pompous, nasally and stuffy English manner one has often heard in old British movies.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/27  at  06:40 PM
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