The View From 1776

Foreign Relations Are Worse Under Obama Than Under Bush

Robert Kagan lays out the case in a Washington Post opinion piece.

 

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 03/17 at 05:38 PM
  1. While I am not a big champion of demanding a lot of government experience in our elected officials, some experience does help--especially real world experience in the private sector. Being an Ivy League graduate and a community organizer in the Chicago political scene does not a world leader make. Kagan's article is spot on, but, Duh, what did you expect?

    Obama probably had less experience in either the public or private sectors than any President in our history. That alone is not however the crucial thing. Sarah Palin, another person with little foreign policy experience, would probably have done better in dealing with the international diplomatic scene than Obama. That is because in spite of inexperience in diplomacy she would have brought common sense and a realistic view of what makes people tick.

    A liberal ideologue like Obama is so enamored with an abstract vision of the world that he loses all touch with reality. Palin would not have pitched and failed for the Olympics, she would not let her secretary of state harangue the head of Israel over a minor matter, and she would not have dilly dallied for a year wooing the Fascist head of Iran.

    Obama campaigned on the basis that he would meet without preconditions with Iran's leader and settle the whole mid east confrontation. Palin was too savvy to ever make such a dumb promise. And I don't mean to single out Palin in particular. Name anyone. My wife's idea for a lottery to select Congress, and even the President, might have yielded a better result.
    Posted by bill greene  on  03/17  at  11:16 PM
  2. Bill,

    You've gotta give Sarah Palin her due, I suppose. But whether she "would probably have done better in dealing with the international diplomatic scene than Obama" is a bridge too far.

    Please recall that Palin famously was under the impression that "South Africa" was a term that referred to the lower half of the continent, and was unaware that there was actually a country with that moniker! Among here other foreign policy creds, was her professed ignorance of the reasons for the Korean War.

    In her defense, however, she appears to be the strongest conservative candidate for the 2012 GOP run for the White House - unless Glen Beck or Sean Hannity begin to listen to the siren calls for them to run.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  03/18  at  11:12 AM
  3. Robert Kagan is not the best judge in these matters. He did get most things wrong during the Bush years.

    It is a misconception that foreign relations are worse under Obama since you people here are impatient and want instant results. Why the Bush years seemed better to conservatives is because as a fratboy Bush didn't want to rock the 'boat' whereas Obama is not satisfied with the international status quo, which needs revamping.

    Most of those on this blog would prefer idiot savants like Bush or Palin instead, because they really don't understand much. Most here are also overly ideological to be taken seriously.

    "Obama probably had less experience in either the public or private sectors than any President in our history". Yah, like Bush had experience. Matter of fact, Bush was the worse managing president ever. His MBA meant nothing since he proved to be a terrible CEO. History will verify that.

    What Obama lacks in experience he has made up in appointing responsible, educated and thoughtful people, something Bush failed to do. There is no cronyism in this administration like there was in the last administration.

    Obviously some people have not read the over 2000 page report about the incompetence, corruption and lack of oversight that occurred under Bush in Iraq in regard to its reconstruction and defense. Billions of taxpayer's dollars were wasted or stolen. That is only the tip of the iceberg. And don't forget the incompetence
    that let 9/11 happen, the first domestic attack an America soil since Pearl Harbor.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  03/18  at  12:35 PM
  4. "What Obama lacks in experience he has made up in appointing responsible, educated and thoughtful people. . ."

    Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State has put the lie to David's assertion with her recent and repeated miscues, gaffes and insults to foreign nations and leaders. Of course this was to be expected since she and Bill allowed the Palestinian terrorist Arafat into the White House and approved of their Secretary of State Albright dancing with the North Korean leader. Just ask Netanyahu what he thinks of Obama and Hillary!

    On the domestic scene, even Demorat Arlen Spector is accusing Chief White House members with the crime called misprision of a felony. Misprision of a felony is when you don't report a crime. So you're getting into pretty deep areas here in these considerations." -- U.S. Senator Arlen Specter on March 12, 2010

    The White House is stone-walling the scandal: ". . . they're doing the 'I won't confirm or deny,' and for us, it leaves two possibilities. One is the promise of transparency in this administration is just shot. The second one is even worse, which is either Sestak is lying or the administration has done something wrong and is covering it up
    Posted by bill greene  on  03/18  at  01:21 PM
  5. bill, your argument is truly based on hate, ideology and a skewing of the facts. It is irrational, like that coming from most so-called experts on this blog. And imagine, you prefer air-heads like Palin over substance. That is very telling and sad for America.

    Who cares what Netanyahu thinks of Obama and Hillary. What he thinks is the bases for good or bad foreign policy?
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  03/18  at  02:00 PM
  6. David asks: "Who cares what Netanyahu thinks of Obama and Hillary?"

    We all should care as I do -- Because Israel is our single reliable ally in the entire Mid-East region. (Foreign Policy 101)
    Posted by bill greene  on  03/18  at  02:12 PM
  7. Guys, don't forget Joe (foot-in-mouth) Biden. A nice guy whom even fellow Democrat/Socialist Senators regarded as playing with less than a full deck.

    Biden, remember, proposed to break Iraq into three separate regions, almost guaranteeing civil war.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  03/18  at  04:01 PM
  8. "Because Israel is our single reliable ally in the entire Mid-East region."

    No so much anymore.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  03/18  at  10:17 PM
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