The View From 1776

Jesus And The Social Gospel

As Cal Thomas understands it, Obama identifies Jesus Christ as a socialist.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/24 at 11:00 PM
  1. According to Thomas:

    The president spoke of what Jesus "symbolizes for people all around the world," which he said, "is the possibility of peace and people treating each other with respect." And "doing something for other people."

    So, Tom, here is the socialistic story of the sheep and the goats, as related by Jesus in Matthew 25:31

    "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

    "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

    "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

    "Then he will say to the Conservatives on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and you prevented me from receiving health care.'
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/24  at  11:49 PM
  2. I have yet to find Democrat or Socialist who can finish two sentences, without using the words "other people." One of the greatest failings of the public school system in America: failure to teach the above mentioned histories in a cogent manner. Marxism was doomed, in part, because Karl Marx wasn't a worker, much less a worker of the world. He was an impostor, a kept man; scared stiff of work. Today, the preferred term is "expert." As Mark Twain is credited with saying, History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. The "Boomers," for the most part, aren't familiar this history. The mere thought of hardcore Socialism, ought to be enough to scare the pants off any sane person: http://theseedsof9-11.com
    Posted by Peggy McGilligan  on  12/25  at  02:33 AM
  3. Mr. Jay:

    Are you deliberately being obtuse, or do you really not understand?

    Jesus spoke to each of us as individuals. Jesus did not address governments with the admonition to soften hearts. Christians are very much in favor of helping those in need, but as individuals, not by paying taxes to a socialistic government.

    The Obama-style liberal-progressive welfare state has no place for the spirit of love that Jesus preached. It relies entirely upon materialistic means - money handouts and special tax privileges - administered by hard-eyed bureaucrats. Obama and his fellow socialists believe, as Clinton's press secretary Dee Dee Myers expressed it, that only the Federal government has the power to improve people's lives.

    Obamacare is focused primarily upon redistributing income in the socialistic version of social justice. It will in no way improve the quality of medical care and it will reduce its availability. Rather than a benefit to the public, it's a punishment to people who have worked harder and more successfully than liberal-progressive sycophants.

    Doing to others as we would have them do to us is a spiritual matter, listening to the Holy Spirit's prompting to help others in need. It has nothing whatsoever to do with welfare-state benefits programs.

    To the contrary, those welfare programs foster indifference by individuals to the sufferings of their fellows. Too many people, especially liberal-progressives (who donate far less to charitable causes than do conservatives and traditionalists), see no need to help others when the government has assumed that responsibility. Welfare programs convert the warmth of person-to-person giving into a spiritless, mechanical, rule-bound process.

    We have seen repeatedly that the welfare-state corrupts morals and turns recipients into money-grubbing, me-first pigs squealing for a place at the public hog trough. Welfare programs like Obamacare are nothing more than cynical vote-buying scams. The history of degradation of classical Athens was precisely that. A demagogue gaining power by promising benefits to his supporters and ending a tyrant.

    If you really see no difference between the materialistic welfare-state and what Jesus preached, your socialistic blinders are interfering with your vision.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/25  at  02:51 AM
  4. Thomas,

    For an opposing interpretation, let us look at John 6:5-15.

    In this event, Jesus is confronted by 5000 hungry people. Does he feed them out of his own pocket? No. He takes the five loaves and two fish from a boy who is nearby and "spreads the wealth" to the five thousand.

    Quite plainly, he is redistributing the available resources, which were not his own, in this event.

    Now you may argue that Jesus said nothing about "the government" providing assistance to the poor. But of course, this argument fails to take into account that in those times the government (the king) never did anything for the poor, and there was, in fact, no concept of government assistance to the poor to be in favor of.

    It makes as much sense to say Jesus was not in favor of government assistance as to say that Jesus was not in favor of driver's licenses (-- both statements are 100% true).
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/26  at  02:00 PM
  5. Mr. Jay:

    In your example of feeding the multitude, Jesus, as one single person, not the Sanhedrin or the local Roman administration, provides for the needs of people. He doesn't require them to present Social Security cards or to meet with benefits administrators, nor does he separate the throng into special interest groups such as Nebraska or Connecticut for special-interest entitlements, depending upon where he can get the most votes.

    Jesus always speaks to individual hearts, dealing with specific circumstances. He has nothing to say about what the Roman administration ought to do. He lays upon each individual's heart the urgency of doing the right thing, of helping people in need.

    Many people share your view that Christian charity is voting for socialist politicians, who will impose procrustean, one-size-fits-all schemes conceived by state planners. You can find nothing in the New Testament to support that view.

    I live in an area that has been hard-hit by unemployment. My understanding of Christian charity is, among other things, giving as much as I can every month to support the local food pantry (a privately run affair manned by unpaid volunteers) or to the Kitchen Table Ministry, run by nuns, who go to individual homes and help in any way they can when people in need come to them. It means giving through my church, again as much as I can afford, to help a family whose bread-winner has just suffered a debilitating accident. It means driving sick and elderly to doctors appointments, or calling and visiting the people who are sick.

    As even secular psychologists admit, personal contact, direct support, and the sense that people in the community care about them means more to people in need than a benefit program that involves irritating and frustrating, and usually repeated, journeys to a government administrative office to seek benefits.

    All of these sorts of things should come from the impulse of the Holy Spirit working through one's conscience to do what one ought to do. Paying taxes to support a manifestly unfairly skewed Obamacare program that puts a straitjacket on individuality is very far removed from individual love and desire to help others. Obamacare is leagues away from what the Apostle Paul has in mind when he wrote:

    6Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. 9As it is written: ?
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/26  at  03:37 PM
  6. Mr. Brewton,

    Yes, you are correct that the Roman administration did not provide for needs of the people - and perhaps you are recommending that we return to a Roman style government where the only help for the poor is from private organizations?

    You also appear to be saying that providing for the poor has to be a zero-sum operation. That somehow if a poor person can get food stamps, that that invalidates your work in a food kitchen.

    Your view of the health care bill "as a skewed program that puts a straitjacket on individuality" misstates the main goals of the bill, which is to extend health insurance to all (or almost all) Americans.

    The non-partisan CBO has determined that the bill has the potential to lower the deficit, (it had greater potential before the Public Option was stripped out). So, your claims that this is a socialist give away is not substantiated.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/26  at  04:39 PM
  7. JJ, are you implying that the God's purpose can be equated with the interests of the state? What is the 'state'? Rome in decline, was famous for corruption, self-dealing, misdirecting the citizenry, debasement of the currency, brutal tyranny and immense 'welfare' spending. The public choice school of economics spells out clearly the nature of 'special interest democracy' and the fraud inherent to it. The unchecked state is not God but a power seeking entity intent on aggrandizing itself with the only power it actually has: coercion. Jesus coerces no one.

    The current health care fiasco clearly shows what the state is all about. If the cost of reform reduces it's power it is not interested in such reform. Tort reform, removing the restrictions on shopping insurance beyond state lines, etc., etc., would actually lower costs almost immediately. There are interests which, combined with the intersts of the state, make such simple reforms impossible. The intersts of the soveriegn states or the people are not being served here, only those inetests which support entrenched central statism.

    Your faith in the CBO is touching but misplaced. This monstrosity of a bill will, over time, only increase costs or reduce the availability of 'health care'. The people will suffer as the central state grows until, one day, the entire phony, unsustainable system collapses of it's own obese, short-sighted stupidity. The alternatives will be a return to the constituion and limited governmnet or a 'doubling down', by the central state in terms of top-down tyranny and statism. Once again, the politicians and bureaucrats believe thay can ride out, into the sunset with their taxpayer funded pensions and benefits as if the money just falls out of the sky, while the average citizen will be waiting in line, in crumbling clinics just to see a member of the soon to be dwindling health care profession. The politicians and bureacrats are wrong of course, since even in a system of 'nomenklatura', if established in this country, there will be little left for them to control, pick over or confiscate.
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