The View From 1776

Krauthammer on “Death Panels”

It’s not a bad as you fear, but it does push sick people toward death.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 08/21 at 04:19 PM
  1. I have always liked Krauthammer but this article proves my belief that common people get good things done and intellectuals just get in the way, or make things worse.

    He starts off by deploring Sarah Palin and her provocative bon mot: "Death Squads" -- But, with these two words she galvanized the nation against Obama's massive and dangerous 900 page proposed legislation.

    Krauthammer then writes a reasoned and passionless article--after setting Sarah aside-- and ends by agreeing with her! The proposed laws will have squads of white robed doctors pushing elderly patients to end their lives. So Sarah was right after all. She just said it shorter, sweeter, and better!

    It may be useful to remember that the advocates of this proposed new form of subtle euthanasia are the same people who approve of late term abortions. They are "The Party of Death." Let's call a spade a spade!

    Krauthammer's disdain for Palin reminds me of Sidney Hook's dismissive comment about Thomas Paine's "Commom Sense." Of course, we all know that Paine's brief essay galvanized the colonies to revolt, throw off the King's oppressive rule, and create a new free nation. It was a short passionate call to ordinary people to revolt. It was widely circulated at the time and is still revered and appears in constant new reprintings.

    But Hook, an intellectual of Krauthammer's type, referred to Paine as "A Mere Pamphleteer." As if one must write 900 page opaque tomes like Locke and Hobbes to be properly recognized. Didn't Hook know that for 99% of the people both Hobbes and Locke are unreadable? That excessively rational and scholarly mindset is why most conservative intellectuals are so totally ineffective in presenting what are for the most part their useful and correct positions.
    Posted by bill greene  on  08/22  at  01:37 PM
  2. The implication of Bill Greene and Krauthammer is that Living Wills necessarily allow your doc to pull the plug when you are just a little bit sick.

    In fact, you have every right to put down in your "Living Will" that you want every possible action taken to save your life. You can say that you want every extreme measure taken and that they should insert every damn tube in the hospital into your body until there are no more places to put tubes remaining!

    What IS being suggested by the legislation is that you think about it, and consider, with the help of your family and trusted doctor, putting down on paper your wishes, how you want to be treated!

    A living will does NOT grant premission for euthanasia, and can, if you so desire to stipulate the exact opposite! It is totally up to you!

    I guess Sarah Palin believes that not talking about the end of life in advance will prevent death from happening. (Psst! It won't help! You are still going to die, Sarah!)
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/24  at  03:58 PM
  3. Jay, You miss the whole point. I never mentioned living wills, and Krauthammer merely said such documents are usually out of date by the time end of life decisions have to made. What we both referred to is that the proposed "consultation" will be a sell job to get the patient to agree to pull the plug.

    The other point is that we are supposed to be reducing costs. This proposed "consultation" by the doctor will represent a new expensive covered cost so will increase medical costs. And it is not necessary--most old folks are reconciled to dying and with their family and clergy can make a decision without government paid advice.

    Thus there is no disinterested logic behind the suggested policy based on costs or compassion. The logic of the advocates is therefore to increase self approved suicide--Kervorkian stuff. Euthanasia and Nazi stuff. So clearly the real purpose is simply, as Sarah suggests, "to kill Granny."

    I learned on talk radio yesterday that a similar program to increase end of life decisions was briefly put in place at the VA hospitals but quickly revoked by our past President George Bush (who is looking better and better)only to be reinstituted by Obama as soon as he took office this year. The three pages of questions in that directive that are asked of the dying patient are clearly designed to convince him or her to agree to pull the plug. Things like: "isn't your quality of life going to be unbearable when confined to a wheelchair?" or "What do you consider more desirable --living in constant pain, or quietly letting go and passing on?"
    Posted by bill greene  on  08/24  at  04:33 PM
  4. Hi again Jay-- You also missed my point about how Sarah Palin is a much more important political commentator and positive national force than the conservative intellectuals like Krauthammer.

    You have to admit it was more her two words "death squads" than Krauthammer's heavy prose that woke up the country and caused Obama's approval ratings to plummet. She's the Thomas Paine of the 21st century! You may not like her, but admit it, she can zero in to the heart of the most complex matter and make sense of it for ordinary people. Long may she live!
    Posted by bill greene  on  08/24  at  04:40 PM
  5. On Newsmax they just listed Obama's 4 Lies about Healthcare--as reported by the New York Times! One of them bears on this post:

    Lie #3: There Will Be No "Death Panels."

    More lies.

    Sure, they don't call them "death panels" in the legislation, but that's what their job will be.

    These committee members will set guidelines with which faceless bureaucrats will make decisions about you and your healthcare.

    They will decide who lives and who dies. They decide who gets critical procedures and expensive medicines.

    Again, according to the New York Times, the Democratic plans call for saving money by creating new oversight committees.

    The Times says that Medicare and insurers would be expected to follow "advice from a new federal panel of medical experts on 'what treatments work best.'
    Posted by bill greene  on  08/24  at  07:07 PM
  6. Bill,

    Let me disagree with you on several points:

    1) I believe Sarah Palin's term was "Death Panels," not "Death Squads." And no, I do not agree that she is the Thomas Paine of the 21st Century. I would say that Alfred E. Newman would be a closer match.

    2) Due to the hysteria whipped up by the wild and crazy mistatements of Sarah Palin and others, the entire section of the bill (as it now stands) mentioning doctor conferences with patients has been cut out of the bill. Even though it is now gone (even though it never remotely had the meaning you and Sarah ascribe to it), the passionate Thomas Paine Palin and others are still screaming about it.

    3)Oversight panels to study which treatments have efficacy are nothing new. They exist right now and are a critical part of "results-based medicine" that is recognized as a positive trend and endorsed by the AMA and other medical groups. They do, in fact, tabulate which treatments have been shown to have a positive effect on which conditions. Without these kinds of data the doctors have little guidence on what to prescribe. If a particular treatement has been shown to have no benefit to 95% of patients who receive it, then it is rational to suggest that other treatements should be prescribed.

    4) And finally, "rationing" has become the dirty word when applied to health care. Your insurance company "rations" your health care right now and makes tons of money doing it! Only 59 cents of every dollar going to insurance companies goes to actual health care. The rest goes to non-medical work, such as disqualifying as many care expenses as possible to increase profits.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/25  at  10:05 AM
  7. I want my doctors at my hospitals to continue making the decisions, doing the oversight, and prescribing solutions. The whole point that Jay and Obama won't accept is that those doctors are currently doing an excellent job. Having the government more involved will not improve anything--it has never improved anything. And it never reduces costs!

    Advocates of the proposed national health plan simply want more government, more control over the American people, and a greater power to apply their pet theories of how to make the world better. Obama lies, Granny dies, and we will surely suffer under more taxes and more debt.
    Posted by bill greene  on  08/26  at  04:30 PM
  8. ...and what is/are the moral and ethical criteria displayed by all parties, including Jay?

    Value of individual life, personal responsibility, appropriate stewardship by non-owners, non-ego decisions by the Teddys, and courage of commitment, are a few for the socialist to explain - and never do.

    (The waste basket is in the corner.)
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  08/28  at  10:27 AM
  9. I have always liked Krauthammer but this article proves my belief that common people get good things done and intellectuals just get in the way, or make things worse.
    Posted by Protein supplements  on  09/04  at  08:46 AM
  10. Gov. Sarah is still being attacked by the leftist-humanists because they fear her re-appearance on a future ballot. They are afraid and rightly so! She is a perceptive excellent candidate to faithfully represent the Founders Principles and our American way of life with intelligent courage.

    Additionally, since no one is smarter than their criteria, the collectivists are working from a pre-chosen mediocre (and worse) set of man-made carnal-ruled opinions that delimit perception of consequences-of-choice prior to choosing. In other words, they lack Vision. Based on a universe-sized ignorance, such devices are self-imposed, thus, the lefty-collectivists can accurately and historically be defined as unintelligent and immoral.

    On the other hand, Sarah and her chosen criteria, which is far superior to any man-made system of opinion, reasonably scares those who possess no practicing standard greater than mediocrity. Their collectivist opinion rises no higher than eyebrows - or belly-button.

    Sarah lives life governed by God's superior transcendent principles as found in The Holy Bible. Judeo-Christian principles are the founding precepts of the greatest nation in human history; America! Including, but not limited to, Human Defined: Earth's Choicemaker, Unique Individual Value, Personal Rights and Responsibility, and Representative Government. Add: The Creative Process is a choice-making process and functions best in Freedom.

    (5th Grade - Lesson #1: God-made social criteria cannot be topped. All man-made social opinion has a delimited & delimiting ceiling!)

    (Lesson #2: Every IQ Test is a test of one's ability to make choices.)

    Sarah is recognized by friends and admirers a worthy representative of all that is wonderful about America. 2012 will be here shortly. Keep your eye on this courageous intelligent leader and pray!

    semper fidelis
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  09/04  at  10:26 AM
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