The View From 1776

Onward to 2012

Jim Baxter weighs in against Sarah Palin’s critics.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/30 at 04:38 PM
  1. If Sarah Palin becomes the BE ALL AND END ALL of the Republican party, there will be no end to the entertainment afforded during the next election.

    Nothing would please the Democrats more than seeing Sarah Palin running as the head of the Republicans for years to come. What a gift! Where can I contribute?
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/01  at  04:16 PM
  2. Jay can laugh, but Governor Palin could turn out to be his worst mightmare come true! We must all pray faithfully that she keeps him sleepless from 2012-2020!

    Wouldn't it be fine if she occupied the oval office and busted up the good ole-boy network of lobbyists, crooks, hangers-on, and special interests ? She has the common sense and grit to "git'r done!" in a style that even Larry the cable guy would appeciate.
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/02  at  10:22 AM
  3. Patty-cake Jay is typical of the unintelligent lefties: no criteria to fill the vast void of their universe-sized ignorant sand-box certainty. They make repetitive stupidity a failing career.

    Still trying to cover their fear with ridicule. You're welcome! Keep watching...baker's male...you've bought your own petard.

    point-man/follower of The Lion of Judah
    Jim Baxter
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/02  at  10:57 AM
  4. Well, bill greene, you don't seem to have much in the saddle when you think Sara Palin is something worth waiting for.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/02  at  10:25 PM
  5. Wrong, wrong, wrong, David.

    I keep my brain right up there under my hat, where God put it. Same place Sarah keeps hers.

    Not down there "below" in their pants where the fanatic extreme Lefties like the Clintons, Spitzers, and the Barney Franks keep theirs!
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/03  at  09:22 AM
  6. Sarah Palin's real appeal is that she is white, not because she has any brains. Her racism has not been overt but she has spoken to the issue in code, like Reagan did.

    Sarah Palin is appealing to conservatives and Republicans because she is for small government. Small government and low taxes ensures that there is not enough money to help minorities. That is what is nice and clean about Palin, not her smarts.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/03  at  11:08 AM
  7. Well, what have you got to take smarts place, David. You are no smarter than your criteria. What is the criteria you are hiding? Having none is no excuse.

    You do have appetites that try to fill your obvious void. They don't work. Sarah will beat you clunk-heads on any IQ Test. And, she lives it with guts! Step up, leftist hero!!!

    I see you and 'Jay' are still playing patty-cake.
    Ever try hoop-jumping? You'd be good at that.
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/03  at  11:24 AM
  8. Jim Baxter accuses liberals of being mediocre and Sarah Palin not. He has that backwards. It is Palin who is mediocre in her ideas and appeal. Mediocrity is easy to understand. There is no nuancing involved. Hence Palin's appeal. And hence why she appeals to most Republicans, because her utterances don't require to much thinking.

    Bush was chosen by Republicans for his mediocrity. His mediocrity has spiraled America into a deficit mentality, an unprogressive mentality that would eventually bury America. That is the kind of America right-wingers seem to want and would rather see it go down in flames than have progress politics at its helm.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/03  at  11:39 AM
  9. What is the collectivist brain-game, stupidity? Name your criteria for judgement. What is progressive about Illinois and New Jersey politics? Patty-cake lechery! O Obama...

    You gutless lefties can never give a reason for your faith in humanistic fairy-tales. Your confession is of dumbness.

    The |Founders precepts cannot be improved - only perverted to match your private lives...
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/03  at  12:12 PM
  10. My criteria for judgment is The View and self-realizers like yourself, people who think the world should resemble and think like them, or else.

    America, in it diversity and multiculturalism, is much more resilient and hardy than you guys would ever understand.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/03  at  01:52 PM
  11. "Small government and low taxes ensures that there is not enough money to help minorities."

    The government isn't supposed to "help" people. The government is there to protect every citizen equally. Giving preference to particluar groups is unfair to all.

    Government's role is simply to provide a secure orderly civil society with a level playing field for all. The rest is up to each individual to take advantage and relish that freedom and opportunity and make the best he can of his or her life.

    The minute the government starts handing out special favors or "help" they destroy the level playing field. The only reason the Left's politicians "help" certain groups is to buy votes. And if you look at the "groups" that make up the Democtraic base you will see they are all "minorities" seeking special status over the common men and women of America--People like Sarah who do not play the victim card but stand on their own feet and fight for what is just.
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/03  at  04:59 PM
  12. Palin is an odd choice to be held up as the beacon of the right wing. Palin is the Governor of the most socialistic state in the union. Alaska is the only state that "owns" the principal "means of production" (oil) and distributes payments to its all its residents.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/03  at  05:14 PM
  13. Jay, Nice try, but you avoided the main point of my post--the fundamental issue of just how much help should citizens get. Is it just for government employees such as teachers to get sinecures, with more and better fringe benefits than others, with monopoly protection against competition, with automatic pay raises, and with special protection against being fired for incompetence.

    And, is it fair to give preference to ANY group over another? Should we reward the bad behavior of those who choose to have babies out of wed-lock, or corporations and banks that make bad decisions; should we "support" marginal farmers, tolerate all the disability fakers, and allow the revolving door among lobbyists, consultants and government officials ?

    These corruptions of the American spirit of freedom, honesty. and equality are the product of allowing the good-ole-boy network to control the upper levels of government. Sarah Palin deserves everyone's thanks for exposing these sins as bi-partisan--Alaskan Republicans were no better than the Democrats! Look what she did to Murkowsky! BOP! POW! BAMM!!

    Sarah is a true progressive and reformer and that's what we need. So-called "experience" has come to mean just the same old same old stuff going on. There is no big IQ needed to correct these failings in American government. Indeed, the big IQ people do more harm than good. They can talk every side of any issue. Carter was the "smartest" and worst President of the century!

    All government service requires is integrity, common sense, and a fighting spirit--and Sarah has those qualities in abundance. She isn't just a pretty face--and that's what the radical women's liberation wing of the Dems hate. They are terrified of her because she did it on her own--in the American tradition--without playing the victim card or the race card and without paying off any good ole boys.

    I didn't actually mean to say soooo much FOR Sarah--she undoubtedly has many failings--only an arrogant intellectual, with an extraordinary and undying Faith in their own judgment, would claim their candidate was perfect. But, compared to a Joe Biden?? Give me break--she is soooo totally "perfecter."

    btw- Your oil-land-jab about Alaska is weak. Americ'a government actually owns everything via its growing right to tax--In NH my dogs are taxed and the money distributed. So are my vehicles, my income, my home, my food--everything is taxed over and over. If I found oil out back they'd tax that too. So Alaska is no different from anywhere else, except they seem to be able to give it back to the common people--every other state just takes.
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/03  at  06:02 PM
  14. bill greene, it is not so much about helping people I am talking about. It is about a marginalized segment of the population that doesn't have the resources to help itself, because people like you keep it marginalized.

    The government you talk about is for people like you, who have the resources to get ahead and survive. The others are abandoned and will always remain so unless a greater authority like government intervenes on their behalf.

    Your ilk doesn't think of the greater good.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/04  at  12:25 AM
  15. David--you assume too much-- I grew up in a one parent home during the Great Depression--we lived on apples, oatmeal, and potatoes, when we could get them. I wore discarded shoes we salvaged from the Town dump. My clothes were hand-me-downs from older cousins. I laced my shoes with string from the grocery store. But we felt fortunate because we did not need to take welfare--we preferred to get by, save, and move up the ladder.

    I don't object to a safety net for those that need it. But it should not be so big or permanent as to create dependency. It is the current "excess compassion" that marginalizes people by seducing them into living on the dole. And the way it's administered, it splits families up, rewards the father for staying outside the family unit, and gives incentive to illigitimacy. Read "Life At The Bottom" for the grisly details.

    You dislike "the type of government I talk about" because you don't understand history--I talk about the type of government that existed in America during its first 300 years of existence, a period in which the well-being of the average person advanced more than anywhere else on earth and advanced quicker than at any time in history. During the past half-century, with the advent of massive social programs, all the billions spent on welfare has not reduced poverty. Johnson's Great Society Programs were failures because they rewarded bad behavior. You want to repeat that mistake over and over inspite of the evidence it does not work.

    In your eagerness to defame me, you failed to address the key point of my post: What is the proper role of government? Is it an enabler, or a mommy? If you want a mommy stay at home and live with your parents. If you want to get ahead you have to do it on your own. And if you don't have the guts to give that a shot, you will always remain bitter, unfulfilled, a perennial "victim," blaming others for your personal failure, and a willing, gullible follower of the radical left.

    You say I "have the resources to get ahead." This shows unfamiliarity with basic economics. If a person has resources, he is already ahead. I saved resources to get ahead. You know, the old Ben Franklin axioms about thrift, saving, investment. They should still be taught. That's how it's done, slow and steady. The story of big lottery winners illustrates the point--they all end up broke-because they didn't understand the process.

    You talk about marginalized and abandoned people. We were among them, except as a family we worked and saved and advanced. There is more opportunity for upward mobility in America than anywhere else on earth. One-half the millionnaires in America are self-made. And BTW, no amount of hand-outs would have put us ahead--they would have just fed us for the day, and we wouldn't have had to work so hard, and as a result would never have got ahead! It is the promise of perpetual welfare that marginalizes people. Get a clue--do you really understand how the common people think? how they are motivated?

    And I am not really the one to blame for marginalizing other people. My type of "ilk," as you refer to me, has been among those who help others. Not through voting for some grand inefficient government funded program, but by advice, loans, encouragement--to individuals who have thereby gained a stake to get ahead.

    I ramble on, but rarely is there a post like David's that is just so plain dumb flat-out wrong! In a mere four sentences he manages to commit a record number of errors of omission, commission, and displays rather bad manners to boot! In retrospect, I guess Jim Baxter said it better: "You gutless lefties can never give a reason for your faith in humanistic fairy-tales. Your confession is of dumbness." Jim is so succinct! We could all learn from him.
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/04  at  02:34 AM
  16. Collectivists never learn that collectivism is evil and perpetuates collectivism. There are no liberal intellectuals - only excuse-makers. Dumb.

    They feed on the "Jays" and Airths who 'feel' flattered. I have yet to encounter a liberal/socialist/collectivist without an earned inferiority complex. Small wonder they find comfort in a 'group.'

    They find truth complicated and hard to understand. They seek a secular priesthood to tell them up from down - like sodomy is natural and cannibalizing the unborn is okay.

    Can eternity burning in Hell fulfill perfect justice? At least its moving perversion in the right direction.

    Add: Intelligence is less about brain and more about criteria. They don't get it. But, they will......
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/04  at  09:43 AM
  17. Yes, Jim, it takes a brave person to face the hard unvarnished truth; to accept the fundamental limitations we must live under; and to understand that utopian dreams are just that. But, facing reality with patience, optimism and faith allows the Wise to enjoy and Glory in their God-given lives. Less is more!

    And, you are also right that those who can't face up to the truth, those who make excuses, and fantasize about Edens they will never find, are just functioning with false criteria. I can't wish for Punishment, their "getting it in the end," but they sure do muck up a good Thing!
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/04  at  10:25 AM
  18. You sound like the bunch of old white men you are.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/04  at  11:46 AM
  19. David--Today's modern affluence and freedom came from the efforts of mostly white men over the past 1,000 years. Now, I am convinced that people of any age or color could have done the same if given the occasional Freedom and Faith our ancestors had in a few locales scattered from Phoenicia to Scotland from 2,000 B. C. to now.

    But, the fact remains: our white ancestors did it! The Industrial revolution came to fruition in NE Europe and America--that is one of the few incontrovertible fact of history. Others nations are still catching up, trying to figure out what happened. Their efforts have been delayed centuries by the collectivist mentality of big government central planners that provides the losing blueprint.

    Even China is finally copying the blueprint that "the old White men" bequeathed us.

    Now I knock the NY Yankees whenever I get a chance cause I'm a red sox fan, but that's just sports nonsense. You bring that same silly team rivalry to critical issues because you love to hate a free and open economy. But I wonder if in your heart you don't recognize there are merits to capitalism, just as I might someday admit, albeit reluctantly, that the Yankees have had a few good years, and that all their players were not total bums ?
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/04  at  12:43 PM
  20. The expression about white old men is not meant to denigrate what they did in the past for us. It is a metaphor that refers to a bitterness that is in some men, a poisonous bitterness that eats away at them and makes them ugly. Those metaphoric men are what I am hearing here.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/04  at  01:04 PM
  21. When Jesus criticized the Pharisees in Jerusalem, he spoke for the common people.

    Jesus referred to the leaders of the synagogue as power brokers, doctors of the law--the same type of elites that currently seek to control our lives through human engineering and mandated, force-fed government programs. People like former President Clinton who will twist the meaning of ethics and good sense to the breaking point; What Jesus spoke applies today to those who would, be they Republicans or Democrats, work to subvert our nation :

    "Ye blind guides, you strain out a gnat,
    but swallow a camel.
    You keep the letter of the law,
    And leave out the heart of the law.
    How can any of you escape damnation?"
    (MATHEW 24:24)

    You see, Jesus was the second "Martin Luther," the first being Moses. They were all reformers who helped move mankind ahead-- It just happened that those who benefitted were mostly pale white skinned ethnic groups.

    Now I'm not saying Sarah is in that same League, by a long shot, but the point is- reform is good. And, David, you should love her--her stated goal was to clean out that good-ole-white-boy clique that has screwed up Wasington.

    BTW-- In checking over my posts above I have talked about patience, optimism, thrift and hard work. If anyone is "hearing poisonous bitterness" it could be coming from their own hearts. This is one wonderful world we live in. Think good thoughts and stamp out those ugly paranoid voices. Stop straining at gnats and consider the whole picture. It's a whole new Beautiful Year.
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/04  at  01:46 PM
  22. bill, there is a coded message in what you say, like there was when Sarah Palin campaigned. She inferred racism when she spoke, like when she said of Obama "he is not one of us". When she spoke she encourage a culture divide.

    Fortunately for America it was not goaded into the culture war this time, like it was by past Republican administrations.

    Perhaps you can't see it but Palin's reform is smoke and mirrors. Hers is voodoo reform. She couldn't reform herself out of a paper bag. And she would still deny equal education to the lower end of American children like the past administration did.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/04  at  02:18 PM
  23. You are a liar. Sarah doesn't measure human value by a collective system called racism. You collectivists do. White? Collective. Racist. She and I and all Christians believe in each individual and their worthy choice to decide good from bad. Group valuing (and non-valuing) is inaccurate and wrong.

    David, you are purposely dumb. Still. No excuses otherwise.
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/04  at  03:15 PM
  24. 'Nuff said, gents. . .

    I think David cares naught--he just likes goading people with his irrational assertions--otherwise he would speak to the many specific arguments and issues raised in these posts.

    But I bear him no grudge, no resentment. There is no malice or anger in my heart, for bitterness primarily rots the souls of the radical Left nutcakes.

    After all, his argumentative and attack mode is not an unusual thing. Many people are just plain ornery! They just likes to argue! Perhaps they realize they have nothing useful to add to the world, so in frustration, they attack.

    Actually, David helps make a point about governance that I illustrate with "The Radzewicz Riddle" -- It is very difficult to maintain a once successful society once it matures because new classes of idle unknowing critics emerge, like parsites on the working class, and drag it down with their faulty vision. We are just now undergoing what "did in" Athens, and 500 years later, Rome.

    The existence of numerous such destructive individuals also illustrates why it is so hard to design a system that allows people to govern themselves in the first place. As Solon stated almost three millennia ago, to the people of the nascent Greek democracy, "I did not give you the best government possible; I designed the best government you (stubborn, recalcitrant, nasty individual human beings) can live with." ( The parenthetic description of the people needing a government was ommitted from the original Greek quote but added for clarification by this author)

    Let's face it--the real reason utopian societies cannot be made to work is that there are just too many individuals like David who will act vigorously, as if their lives depended on it, to obstruct, bewilder, and confabulate. I wager that if Obama did everything David desires, to a "T,"
    it would not be long before Obama would take our place on David's S... List.
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/04  at  04:52 PM
  25. It is interesting how you guys sound so like Fox News, fake news and commentary.

    Where did the idea come from that I believe in an utopian society. Its impractical to think such thoughts, like it is impractical to have too much faith in God.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/04  at  06:05 PM
  26. There may be a communication problem here David, and I admit it is difficult to know where you stand on the issues being discussed. So excuse any mis-interpretation I may have made.

    However, let's examine your "contributions" to date and see if there is a coherent or constructive kernel to be gleaned:

    Post # 4- You suggest I'm dumb, you're smart. Could be, but so what. I believe EQ trumps IQ.

    #6 -- You call Sarah Palin a white racist, (now there's an overused epithet meaning little) and then you claim she talks in "code" whatever that means. Somekind of conspiracy theory ? Also, I thought a real racist says it flat out--they don't rely on code?

    # 8 - You assert your opponents are "mediocre." This helps resolve anything ? Just name calling ?

    # 10- You claim I want the world to resemble me. Not sure what that means but it ain't true. The one valid point you make (in #20 below) may be that I am ugly. And of course I would like more people to think like me--as would you! Big deal! Sue me!

    # 14- You generalize about people like me wanting to deliberately marginalize the poor and downtrodden. You can't know my inner motives from there. You may think my economic principles do harm but even if they do, I sincerely believe in them--there is very little premeditated malice involved.

    # 19- You call us "old white men." Maybe true, but what does that prove? We join the ranks of Tolstoy, Socrates, Farraday, Einstein, Washington, Jefferson, Martin Luther, Louis Pasteur-- that's bad?

    # 20- You back off the old white men charge, but suggest we are bitter and ugly. Touche on the latter! But I'm happy and optimistic--not bitter

    # 22 You resurrect the old "code" charge again. I don't even know what codes are! When I state things like those far-out dingbat Leftists are fanatical deranged fruitcakes, is that code for something ? I call it pretty damn clear. The only thing clearer is Charlie Daniels' classic book : "Ain't No Rag." You'd like it--no code--just plain talk.

    # 25- You claim I sound like Fox News, whatever that implies. It's kind of a compliment since they are a well-vetted national news agency, and I'm just an average Joe citizen.

    Recap-- What useful tid-bit emerges from those nine posts-- I suggest that they reveal a bitter name-calling generalist with no willingness to address the nitty-gritty realities that govern how societies function and would rather take the easy way out and subscribe to opaque conspiracy theories that the world is against them. Or that you're just pulling our leg ?

    BTW- It's never impractical to have too much Faith in God. It's true that God helps those who help themselves; but a strong Faith and a happy optimistic outlook really helps us get through this thing, whatever it is. (Last clause thanks to very old white male Kurt Vonnegut's genius)
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/04  at  07:17 PM
  27. Your generous statements to David are a waste as long as you haven't accounted for his 'engine' of guilt-driven inferiority that he can blame on a Bush or a Reagan...

    Perhaps it won't be wasted on some other silent readers.

    When you consider the size of the known universe, don't you but laugh at the certainty of their ignorance and 'need?' (And they 'feel' faith in G|OD can be too much faith!Don't waste too much time on the disrespectful crouch-potatoes. The collectivists measure all human value by groups. They are not aware there is any other way. They assume everybody does it. All 'intellectual' liberals share the fault and the need. And the free-rider lie.

    semper fidelis
    Sgt. USMC
    WWII & Korean War
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/04  at  07:51 PM
  28. Is 28 posts a record for the View?
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/05  at  05:44 PM
  29. Hi "J,"

    "28" may be a record--a sign from above--and all because of Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah Palin

    Note that the number "28" shares two of the same digits as 2012!
    Posted by bill greene  on  01/05  at  08:13 PM
  30. bill, you are drooling.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/06  at  08:39 AM
  31. I drool too. But, it is far far better than needing & wearing a mental collectivist diaper.
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/06  at  10:57 AM
  32. Jim, I don't know whose diapers you're in, but I was referring to the drooling a man does when he sees a pretty face. I just thinking, you guys have lost your compasses over Sarah Palin. This is what was said of John McCain, that he just lost his footing when he picked Palin for his VP because he was swooped off his feet by her. Men like you become overwhelmed when you see a skirt and forget about smarts and reality.

    My feeling too is that you guys are so anti liberal you would pick a monkey to be president if it evoked the conservative spirit. You would sooner shoot yourself in the foot than pick a liberal. (You did just that with George Bush.) And that is what you are doing with Sarah Palin. But with her your shooting yourself in a higher part of the anatomy, like in the diaper area.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/06  at  12:32 PM
  33. David, a good IQ Test is a test of your ability to make choices. Never mind wasting your time...
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/06  at  12:56 PM
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    Posted by bill greene  on  01/06  at  03:45 PM
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