The View From 1776

The Social Gospel Has Found its Savior

The Baby Boomers, who performed a frontal lobotomy on their spiritual life, find the meaning of life in secular environmentalism.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 12/23 at 07:30 PM
  1. We can name-call or we can look at history and socialist nations. They were long held in low esteem by themselves and Americans because their standard of living was lower than ours. Millions left them to come here to live, work and raise their children.

    Only in the last 70 years as we drifted closer and closer to socialism have they "risen" in desirability to some and mainly only in socialized health care. Yet, with all their great "nationalized health care," we don't see a rush to live in their nations because of all the other problems they have.

    There is no doubt we need health care reform. The best reform, however, would be to end all federal involvement (Medicare and Medicaid) and turn those programs back over to the states where they belonged in the first place. However, we know it is even too late for that now because the states are getting in almost as bad a shape as the Fed. The national government has dragged all the states down with the dragging down of the nation.

    California, one of the largest economies in the U.S. is facing over a $15 billion tax revenue shortfall over the next 18 months and yet they are being asked to spend more and tax less. The U.S. faces a $50 trillion unfunded liability at the Federal level and another $9 billion by the states because of promises made we can't keep in just pensions and health care.

    While socialism was gaining popularity in the early 1900's, it not only sounded good, but we didn't have as much evidence of how bad socialism is. We don't have that excuse now.

    Currently, the U.S., if the Fed misjudges the means to end this current crisis, means we could not only have a long and deep recession but a depression.

    Hopefully they can dodge this crisis but, we face another one. While this one wasn't expected a couple of years ago, the coming one (78 million retiring) that all government agencies and experts have been warning Congress about for years, is still on its way thanks to socialism and wealth redistribution and nationalized, centralized, pensions and health care programs that were under funded, poorly designed and depend on an ever expanding work force to fund, as well as, people don't want their taxes raised more to keep them adequately funded.

    We fueled our growth in the last couple of decades or so with debt and deficit spending and defense spending and government jobs, contracts, subsidies, etc. We under report inflation so that GDP looks good but when you price the Dow in commodities or Gold you find it has been losing for years in spite of a "new record dollar amount." Yet, we have socialists calling for even more of what got us in this mess.

    Al Gore at least is being challenged. 400 scientists have joined to dispute the global warming hype. Maybe the world is starting to wake up. Many socialist nations are cutting taxes and seeking reforms to make them more competitive in the emerging world market.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/23  at  11:31 PM
  2. Consider:
    The missing element in every human 'solution' is an
    accurate definition of the creature.

    The way we define 'human' determines our view of self,
    others, relationships, institutions, life, and future. Many
    problems in human experience are the result of false
    and inaccurate definitions of humankind premised
    in man-made religions and humanistic philosophies.

    Human knowledge is a fraction of the whole universe.
    The balance is a vast void of human ignorance. Human
    reason cannot fully function in such a void; thus, the
    intellect can rise no higher than the criteria by which it
    perceives and measures values.

    Humanism makes man his own standard of measure.
    However, as with all measuring systems, a standard
    must be greater than the value measured. Based on
    preponderant ignorance and an egocentric carnal
    nature, humanism demotes reason to the simpleton
    task of excuse-making in behalf of the rule of appe-
    tites, desires, feelings, emotions, and glands.

    Because man, hobbled in an ego-centric predicament,
    cannot invent criteria greater than himself, the humanist
    lacks a predictive capability. Without instinct or trans-
    cendent criteria, humanism cannot evaluate options with
    foresight and vision for progression and survival. Lack-
    ing foresight, man is blind to potential consequence and
    is unwittingly committed to mediocrity, collectivism,
    averages, and regression - and worse. Humanism is an
    unworthy worship.

    The void of human ignorance can easily be filled with
    a functional faith while not-so-patiently awaiting the
    foot-dragging growth of human knowledge and behav-
    ior. Faith, initiated by the Creator and revealed and
    validated in His Word, the Bible, brings a transcend-
    ent standard to man the choice-maker. Other philo-
    sophies and religions are man-made, humanism, and
    thereby lack what only the Bible has:

    1.Transcendent Criteria and
    2.Fulfilled Prophetic Validation.

    The vision of faith in God and His Word is survival
    equipment for today and the future. Only the Creator,
    who made us in His own image, is qualified to define
    us accurately.

    Human is earth's Choicemaker. Psalm 25:12 He is by
    nature and nature's God a creature of Choice - and of
    Criteria. Psalm 119:30,173 His unique and definitive
    characteristic is, and of Right ought to be, the natural
    foundation of his environments, institutions, and re-
    spectful relations to his fellow-man. Thus, he is orien-
    ted to a Freedom whose roots are in the Order of the
    universe. selah

    MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  12/24  at  12:16 PM
  3. Let's say Al Gore is wrong on global climate change. But that doesn't really matter. What matters is that he has helped mobilize an awareness to a destructive behavior and that we can't continue to take the environment for granted. He has made us more aware of the potential damage we are causing our planet. Because of him and his high profile we are seriously considering alternative to counteract the damaging pollution we are creating.

    Al Gore is a kind of Malthus, who in his day warned off a possible shortage of food in the world. Human inventiveness responded to his warning, which helped stimulate the cornucopia we live in today. Al Gore has stimulated consumers and manufactures to rethink their consuming habits and improve on them. He is kind of a latter day Messiah.

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    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/24  at  01:03 PM
  4. David, we have had that awareness for decades. Remember the 60's? We started all kinds of good, soundly based in fact, environmental movements. Al Gore is an opportunist making millions from his companies tied to global warming either for profit or to use the funds for social spending projects as he doesn't need the money personally.

    He is corrupt and a fool if he actually believes 1/2 of what he says. And the shortage of food right now, driving prices up is due more to ethanol's need for corn, than not enough food. As more and more corn was planted for that demand, less and less other grains could be planted. Al Gore caused more damage than good.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/24  at  01:25 PM
  5. We have 200 years of oil in the U.S. available at current prices. Yet, he and others like him, using the false "man caused global warming" crap, deterred the tapping of that oil and instead said "we need ethanol," that get about 25% less mileage and costs society more in many ways that using oil would have.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/24  at  01:28 PM
  6. Nevertheless, he has generated more attention about our destructive nature than anybody else. He may be a perversion to you. But we develop and improve through perverse ways.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/24  at  01:38 PM
  7. What destructive nature? We have been improving for decades and all he did was help make things worse by lying and diverting money away from real pollution and real economic needs. He was far more destructive than helpful.

    Right now, the U.S. and much of the world is facing a financial collapse, not because of Al Gore, or Global warming, but they have made things worse by diverting attention away from things that could have and should have been done to keep our economy on sound ground.

    In order to meet the demands of global warming, economies have done things that were not in their best interests. In some cases, corporations had to borrow more to fund changes that weren't necessary. Governments have focused on bad energy policies that have led to higher prices and more consumer, corporate and government debt. k

    Yes, the people are to blame for many things but, not global warming and that lie has cost us dearly and sped up other things adding to the current crisis.

    You don't have five foreign central banks and foreign governments using sovereign wealth funds to bail us out of a "mild downturn," if there isn't a crisis that will affect many nations. Global Warming lies may have only been part of the cause of this crisis but it still needs to be put in the proper light and so does Al "lyin'" Gore.

    Neither party has done its job. Neither party was willing to check the facts, get the truth, tell the American people where we are headed, but, tyring to make a hero out of a liar doesn't make sense either.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/24  at  01:53 PM
  8. You mean you do!

    Perversion of truth only serves the lie not truth. You are still one of those who needs to hide in the mass to duck individual responsibility and its cause: individual value.

    WHEN, IF EVER, YOU GET OVER YOUR INFERIORITY COMPLEX, YOU WILL RECOGNIZE TRUTH. uNTIL THEN, patty-cake for collectivists who, like you, hold that lying perversions serve truth. [I.Q. Test: Zero]
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  12/24  at  02:07 PM
  9. Jan,

    Have you been to China and seen the pollution their? That pollution is partly made in the production of goods for American consumption. Sure, thinks may have improved environmentally as you have suggested in the U.S. But as evident in China, America has outsources it pollution.

    China's pollution is now polluting American's breathing space, sort of like the 'chickens coming home to roust'. I saw it over Hawaii this year. This is a new phenomenon for Hawaii, having such polluted air. Also look at LA. It had improved its air quality but recently thinks have gotten worse.

    You haven't evoked the Constitution in this matter. Have Americans been protected from being over polluted? Anyway, we have reach a tipping point, whether you like it or not, where people are beginning to believe and understanding that they must do things differently if they want the earth to improve environmentally.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/24  at  02:17 PM
  10. Jan,

    You appear to be acknowledging socialized-healthcare as a lone exception to the
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/24  at  02:26 PM
  11. Have you been to China and seen the pollution their? That pollution is partly made in the production of goods for American consumption. Sure, thinks may have improved environmentally as you have suggested in the U.S. But as evident in China, America has outsources it pollution.
    ================
    David, I was the one addressing the need to tackle pollution. Al Gore is still on a Global Warming binge.

    He is diverting resources away from pollution to those things like CO2 that isn't a pollution but needed or plants to live that we need for food.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/24  at  02:36 PM
  12. Jan,

    I guess you don't understand the co-relationship between air pollution and global warming. Air pollution eats up the ozone layer which protects the earth from too much sun. The pollution also traps gases that help heat-up the world.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/24  at  02:53 PM
  13. Jan,

    You appear to be acknowledging socialized-healthcare as a lone exception to the
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/24  at  03:06 PM
  14. David:
    Jan,

    I guess you don
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/24  at  03:26 PM
  15. China's pollution is a huge problem but we are experiencing record cold in many parts of the world presently. The Antarctic ice cap is expanding. Canada, your nation, is predicting a very cold winter.

    quote:
    South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

    Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. ...

    Last January, $1.42 billion worth of California produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. ....

    In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/24  at  03:28 PM
  16. David,

    You leap from silliness to silliness; repeatedly making our case for us. That
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/24  at  03:52 PM
  17. Anyway, it doesn't matter that you guys believe that global warming as Al Gore frames it is a fraud. You guys are at the loosing end of the issue because the majority of people believe it is happening as he outlines. However, I don't think it will interfere much with your log cabin lives.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/25  at  09:48 AM
  18. Actually, the trend is changing in several places and as you saw, even Congress is starting to listen to the scientists that are exposing it as a fraud.

    I think you know it is a fraud too, David, but don't want to admit it.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/25  at  11:33 AM
  19. Congress is listening to those other scientist as a matter of courtesy and curiosity.

    The reason you think it is all a fraud is because Gore is appealing to our collective nature. But we can't deal with the earth's environmental problems if we don't approach them collectively. However, you conservatives here abhor collectiveness, hence you calling Gore and his message a fraud.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/25  at  04:23 PM
  20. No the reason I think it is all a fraud is because I read the work of all scientist and then use my own education in science and common sense application to sort it out.

    Why do you support the fraud instead of uniting on what we can deal with, need to deal with, and are dealing with? Why do you support a fraud who is using the "scare tactics" to make millions while not accomplishing anything. You do realize "selling credits" doesn't solve the problem. It takes money that could be used for R&D and economic betterment of nations and the poor in them, and has them buy credits to continue to operate with the same emissions they had before.

    It is a wealth redistribution scheme more than any effort to clean anything up. Then add the nations they exempt that are major polluters and you see even more fraud in their agenda. Even the KYOTO scientists admit that the way the system is operating, no progress will be made that changes what man contributes.

    So, if even the people who believe man causes the problem admit the solution does nothing significant, that should tell you that the leaders of this are pursuing their own agenda that has little to do with actually changing the climate. Why? Maybe because they don't even believe their own hype.

    When you study all the natural things that affect climate and see that man only contributes less than 1/2 of one percent, why do you continue to believe man is the cause? Because people who support socialism tell you to believe it? Study and read and use common sense and you will see that fraud.

    We are going to probably continue to warm for thousands of years more, even if we have another mini-ice age because the cycles leading in that direction aren't going to change until some major event, like the eruption of a super-volcano or many volcanoes starts a major cooling cycle that lasts for thousands of years. Either way, man can't do a thing about. Even if man disappears totally off the face of the earth, the warming and cooling trends will continue.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/25  at  06:06 PM
  21. David, we have been warming for 18,000 years. Who do you blame for the first 17,950 years of warming?
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/25  at  07:05 PM
  22. Jan & Bob,

    He needs moreNmoreNmore of your (not mine) patience. He'll come up with a 'justification' for buffoon Gore and 'pragmatic' collectivism...

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    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  12/25  at  08:43 PM
  23. What a bunch of old f.... I think in time you will choke on your on venom
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/26  at  11:51 AM
  24. Why do you think the truth is "venom?" The truth only hurts those who practice to deceive. Just as many sought to lie about pollution and the harm it was doing, those who try to lie and make CO2 a pollutant when it is absolutely vital to our survival and we can't live without it, and exaggerate its risks in high quantities, are serving themselves, not our long term good.

    We still need to fight pollution, clean up rivers, curb smog, etc. but we don't need to worry about global warming being the fault of man nor can we end it. However, nature may end it and then if we have another mini-ice age millions will die because of the lost crop growing areas due to colder temperatures.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/26  at  01:12 PM
  25. David hurls insult after insult only to call us
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/28  at  11:34 AM
  26. As I said before, it doesn't matter what you guys think, you are on the wrong side of the issue. Global warming is occurring and it is only wise and prudent to understand that human activity is helping cause it. Only collective human action will help reverse this trend. Gore is just a poster boy in this effort.

    Don't take Gore so personally, that's all I am saying. In doing so you are physically hurting yourselves.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/28  at  12:17 PM
  27. David said:
    Global warming is occurring and it is only wise and prudent to understand that human activity is helping cause it.
    ============================

    That is the problem. You and Al Gore are taking something that has been going on for 18,000 years and trying to blame man. Prove how man's less than 1/2 of one percent production of greenhouse gas is causing global warming suddenly after 18,000 years of warming (with the cycles of higher highs and higher lows).

    We will have another cooling trend and possibly very soon but, global warming will continue until the earth changes the cycle. Nothing man can do will change the cycles the earth goes through. Just a series of volcanic eruptions can put us either on the path to rapid warming or cooling depending on the nature and volume of those eruptions. Solar cycles also can swing and put us into a cooling trend in a matter of months.

    We can focus on what we need to focus on like toxic waste, pollution in our rivers and water supplies and preparing for rising oceans if we see that happening or new desert regions or declining crop growing areas during cooling trends, etc. The only thing we can't do is control global warming or cooling enough to change the rate by more an a year or two out of a hundred and even that may be too much to expect due to the small amount man contributes compared to nature.

    It is wasting money and time and energy on things we can't control and diverting them away from things we can control so that people like Al Gore can become wealthy and/or powerful and satisfy their ego.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/28  at  12:34 PM
  28. The thing is I see that you are not using your common sense. It is unbelievable to me that people like you think that 6 billion people plus, and their activity, are not causing a major difference in world climate. I mean, just look at all the heat these people are creating with their activity. Think of the heat cities give off.

    There are, I believe, four elements that control the world's climate, wind, fire, water and air. To them you can add another one, human activity.

    Ok, let's say none of it is true. Nevertheless, we are developing alternatives and better ways of doing things because of the concern. The same argument was made about the Y2k possibility at the turn of the century. Though nothing seriously happened , time and money was spent improving procedures and discovering new ways of doing things. It all part of keeping busy and alert. In the long run the cost is worth it
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/28  at  01:13 PM
  29. David,

    I am not taking Gore personal or otherwise. He's just one more sleazy con-man in a long line of con-men. It is you who reduce this to the personal with all the petty name calling. I am not even all that concerned by the hysteria of environmentalist and media, or the generally uncritical acceptance of their blather. If it weren't for the fact these hysterias do serve the interest of demogogues at the expense of my freedom, I'd be laughing my butt off.

    As for you being on the right side of AGW, prove it or give it a rest. We've given you ample reason to doubt. If you want to believe it anyway, I will not begrudge anyone his head in the sand. Just stop asking us to pick up the tab.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/28  at  01:38 PM
  30. David,

    You still believe in the ancient fundamentals of "wind, fire, water and air"? Now who's spouting non-sense! And, after all that talk of 'progress', 'modernity', and 'science'. Next you'll be telling us about the 'healing powers of Gaia' and inviting us to sing Kumbaya with you in order to halt global warming!
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/28  at  01:44 PM
  31. I haven't named called anybody. I just hear this venomous tone from a bunch of guys.

    As for proof about our enviroment, the proof is in the pudding. Where is your proof? In an ideology!

    I see your roof as reckless (Is that name calling?). Why not play it save by trying to improve our ways, becoming less polluting and practice more conservation?
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/28  at  01:54 PM
  32. David, what caused global warming for the last 18,000 years? Cavemen? Campfires? Cooking? We only contribute 1/2 of 1%. Water vapor, the largest contributor is the main cause. 3/4 of the earth is covered by water.
    quote:\
    The GWC is an integral part of the Earth/ Climate
    17 system; water vapor constitutes the Earth
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/28  at  02:12 PM
  33. David,

    I will credit you with having at least tried to make some coherent arguments in this post, and it is a decided improvement. Yet, you are only partially aware of your tendency to insult at the very outset.

    I suppose you really don't see how often you descend into name calling, so here's a list of just the names, belittlements and absurdities you've indulged in just this one post: "destructive", "log cabin lives", "you don
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/28  at  04:04 PM
  34. Sometimes proof doesn't prove anything, especially if people do not want to believe it. So there is no point in adding anything else as proof. I believe Al Gore and others like him have supplied sufficient proof for the cause of global warming. But those who hate Gore will never except any proof he puts forward because they are too consumed and blinded with hate towards him and the whole subject.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  12:18 AM
  35. What has he to do with the 400 scientists that Congress is hearing from or the countless studies shown?
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/30  at  03:05 AM
  36. Every individual human being, who is still hobbled in his natural carnal-ego, false-center-of-the- universe, sees himself, and everything he does, as capable of "ruling nature." (Or, he will follow soneone who says he can.) It is an appetite based on interior knowledge of his inferior shortcomings and universe-sized ignorance. Thus, every lie spewed forth in the world, that compensates for an accurate inferiority, is grasped, - in spite of evidential reality.

    Sound familiar? Every humanistic petty-rebel willingly partakes of such a descriptive. It is a firm foundation for a socialistic experience of lies and unethical and immoral, unmanly conduct, and cowardly word of cannibalism; National Socialism, - and its vaporous collectivism.

    Jan & Bob,
    Gentlemen: Please save your excellent statements directed to other readers who are at least potentially worthy in their honest & natural ignorance. Airth is not worthy; based on his own self-imposed & protected & maintained non-value attemts at self-worship.

    Until then, "Patty-cake" the diaper 'crowd.'

    semper fidelis
    vincit veritas

    HAPPY NEW YEAR 2008 AD
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  12/30  at  10:33 AM
  37. Why don't you grow up Baxter, with your patty cake and diaper language.

    Also, the counter studies done by 400 scientists is out done by the studies on the other side, saying that human activity is warming the planet.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  11:24 AM
  38. David
    How many scientists are on the "other side?" What is your source for that so we can check out their bias or lack of bias. You will note, I provide sources for my information so you can check it out. What are your sources. If they are reliable, we can all learn from them.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/30  at  12:30 PM
  39. 800 scientist!
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  01:30 PM
  40. Anyway, numbers don't matter that much. Common sense is more at work here and people's common sense tells them that humans are definitely doing things that are obviously altering our environment. To think otherwise is being short sighted and foolish.

    Moreover, because of the growing concern for our planet, whether it's founded on fact or perception, we are all better off. Its all working to put us on a better and more sustainable course.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  02:13 PM
  41. What does 18,000 years of warming tell them David? Who did it for the 18,000 years that man was an insignificant pimple in the scheme of things? Common Sense? Common sense tells you that if man wasn't responsible for 18,000 years and we had even warmer periods before as well, man isn't the leading factor in anything.

    Use your "common sense," and think. We have millions of years of warming (to even warmer like when there were tropics at the north pole), as well as, cooling.

    Use the common sense to weed out the charlatans that are blaming man for things it is impossible for him to do. 3/4 of the earth is covered by water. How much does that 3/4 contribute in water vapor compared to the 1/4 with land and people?
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/30  at  03:35 PM
  42. David, you forgot to post your source for the 800 scientists. You need to post the sources for that so we can read them.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/30  at  03:39 PM
  43. Even if I listed the 800 scientist who believe like Al Gore you would not believe it. You would tell me again about '18,00 years'.

    There is certainly more human garbage around today than there was 18,00 years ago or even 50 years ago. The volume of that garbage over the years has had an effect in changing the nature of our globe.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  03:57 PM
  44. What is your source on that last statistic? And how much compared to nature's output from volcanoes, ocean evaporation is the percentage? Just post the links, David and whether we accept the information or not will be on our shoulders, not yours.

    If you are truly interested in find the truth and leading others to the truth, post your sources.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/30  at  04:29 PM
  45. David, Not everybody that reads these posts comment. For those who read but do not comment, respect them. Post your sources so they can decide whether to believe you or somebody that disagrees with you. You have the opportunity to educate those who read, do so. Post your sources.

    For example, the source I posted gave a date, post the source of the 800 that testified to Congress so we can see when that was. Here is another example
    quote:

    August 20, 2007

    New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears

    Posted By Marc Morano
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  12/30  at  04:38 PM
  46. David says
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  09:43 PM
  47. (cont.)

    I am not blind to the possibility of global warming, David. I am just awake to agenda-based science and those who exploit it for personal and political gain. As an engineer, I followed the ozone nonsense from its inception, I watched as skepticism turned to windfall by the very companies supposedly indicted, I work with environmental specialists who partly acknowledge the cynicism inherent to their chosen work, and, I have watched as ozone-scare morphed and mixed with AGW to avoid confessing error. We
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  09:54 PM
  48. Jim,

    Don't worry that David doesn't get it. Others will read our arguments and make up their own minds. David does serve a purpose here, he says outrageous things that are easy to dispute. That gives us the opportunity to expound and educate those open to reason. Were it not for David, we would quickly tire of agreeing with each other and none of this would get said.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  12/30  at  10:12 PM
  49. I know I'm a little late reading this. Just wanted to say thanks for jogging my memory. I tried to come up with the term "Social Gospel" to describe the motive behind many decisions made by politicians from Jimmy Carter to Mike Huckabee. I couldn't get beyond "social doctrine". I don't like this mingling of Christian Theology and what amounts to Marxist doctrine. Having once been a Christian I'm very aware that churches that once focused on prayer and living a righteous life now seem more intent on adopting PC best practices on every issue from racial relations to global warming than following the Ten Commandments. I've even had to endure criticism from Christians not for being a sinner but for being politically incorrect - seems sin can be overlooked these days as long as you have the state sanctioned views on gay marriage, unrestricted immigration and Mother Earth.

    I can understand how a Christian might feel compelled to support policies that amount to redistribution of wealth. There is some logic to it though I don't consider it sound logic. However, the need to anthropomorphize the Earth into a sentient being and essentially create a religion of environmentalism in which the laws are considered sacrosanct and a mythology of cause and effect is transmitted unquestioningly is so unrelated to anything that should concern Christians as to be laughable. Maybe I no longer have the right to wonder about such things having abandoned organized religion years ago but wonder I do.

    And I'll be watching for reversals in the positions of the likes of Rick Warren as more and more evidence confirms that climate change is part of the natural order and not a result of the relatively insignificant activities of men. You'd think there'd be a spiritual lesson in this for those who jumped on the global warming bandwagon.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/10  at  08:16 PM
  50. "Science is simply a refinement of ordinary thinking."

    Ordinary thinking is common sense. Common sense says, through science, that the human activity of six billion people is causing climate and environmental change. It's just common sense.

    If it is not common sense or ordinary thinking its ideology. It is ideology and foolishness to think that the activity of six billion is not causing changes in the weather and our environment.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  01/18  at  03:11 PM
  51. Actually common sense says that given that only 1/4 of the globe is land and only a fraction of that land is covered by people and that only 1/2 of one percent of greenhouse gas comes from man, he isn't the cause of global warming.

    Now, we are starting to see science support that common sense in some sectors, but not all. I think the coming cooling trend in 2012 will help resolve some of this conflict however and that is only 4 years away.
    Posted by JanPBurr  on  01/18  at  04:05 PM
  52. The ego-centric person never understands that he has self-denied his own false center. How, then, can he attain to a common-sense, other than a common-ego non-sense?

    David is a classic sucker-example of a humanistic common non-sense self-center. He is available to every collectivist form of error in an unveiled attempt at self-value and justification. What a commitment! But, it is common!
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/21  at  12:25 PM
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