The View From 1776

Liberals Ratchet Up the Violence Meter

Christopher Hitchins and Richard Dawkins, in their violent attacks on spiritual religion, sound very much like Adolph Hitler and Joseph Goebbels.

Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on 07/31 at 01:12 AM
  1. Please don't characterize Hitchins and Dawkins as 'liberals'; they are anti-religion authors. Many Progressives (like me) have faith, live in accord with their faith and do not impose their values on others.

    Given the title of this article, is it not ironic that there is an ad next to it showing an elephant with the caption "I'm a Savage Republican, crushing liberals left and right"?
    I would never crush anyone. I vote, I pray, I teach. I do not crush.
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  07/31  at  03:15 AM
  2. One of the weakest elements in the humanistic egoistic point of view is to equate all religions as equally error-prone, since most are man-made. All, except Judeo-Christian, for which there is much evidence.

    Additionally, the human need and appetite for self-justification is a blinders factor they do not recognize. 'Expertise' in one narrow area is not necessarily validity in any other.

    Since their definitions are man-made, they are faulty; delimited. Evidence? They are not even current - while Biblical Scripture is always prophetically futuristic - and 100% accurate.

    Patty-cake time? Yeah!

    semper fidelis
    vincit veritas
    Posted by Choicemaker  on  08/01  at  08:57 AM
  3. Spiritual Religion is the basis for most horrific events in our history.

    "As long as there has been one god there have been people killing in his name"
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/01  at  12:50 PM
  4. Posted for Tim Makinson, .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Your claim that "Christopher Hitchins and Richard Dawkins, in their violent attacks on spiritual religion, sound very much like Adolph Hitler and Joseph Goebbels."

    This is a contemptible lie.

    Unlike right-wing religious bigots like Pat Robertson, neither Hitchins nor Dawkins have ever advocated murder.

    And unlike Hitler and Goebbels (to whom you have the idiocy to compare them), neither has advocated nor aided in genocide.

    I therefore invoke a well-known corollary to Godwin's Law: that once a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler is made, any debate is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

    Having invoked this, there is nothing further worth saying about your steaming heap of feces of an article. Let us instead look at YOU Mr Brewton. From your ludicrous, vicious and illogical attack, I would surmise that you are a Right Wing Authoritarian (RWA), and share many of the following features:
    1: Faulty reasoning ? RWAs are more likely to:
    * Make many incorrect inferences from evidence.
    * Hold contradictory ideas that result from a cognitive attribute known as compartmentalized thinking.
    * Uncritically accept that many problems are ?our most serious problem.?
    * Uncritically accept insufficient evidence that supports their beliefs.
    * Uncritically trust people who tell them what they want to hear.
    * Use many double standards in their thinking and judgments.

    2: Hostility Toward Outgroups ? RWAs are more likely to:
    * Weaken constitutional guarantees of liberty such as the Bill of Rights.
    * Severely punish ?common? criminals in a role-playing situation.
    * Admit they obtain personal pleasure from punishing such people.
    * Be prejudiced against racial, ethnic, nationalistic, and linguistic minorities.
    * Be hostile toward homosexuals.
    * Volunteer to help the government persecute almost anyone.
    * Be mean-spirited toward those who have made mistakes and suffered.

    3: Profound Character Attributes ? RWAs are more likely to:
    * Be dogmatic.
    * Be zealots.
    * Be hypocrites.
    * Be absolutists
    * Be bullies when they have power over others.
    * Help cause and inflame intergroup conflict.
    * Seek dominance over others by being competitive and destructive in situations requiring cooperation.

    4: Blindness To One?s Own Failings And To The Failings Of Authority Figures Whom They Respect? RWAs are more likely to:
    * Believe they have no personal failings.
    * Avoid learning about their personal failings.
    * Be highly self-righteous.
    * Use religion to erase guilt over their acts and to maintain their self-righteousness.

    Tim Makinson, .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/01  at  04:16 PM
  5. ...by man-made religions, callig Allah moon-god, 3,000 Hindi gods, animistic gods, me/me/me, etc. etc. There you go, Tim, with your iconic humanistic self-justificaion blinders flapping.

    Real non-manmade religion IS God-made spirituality - not materialistic humanism self-worship. Remember, we are all born into an ego-centered experience - until you meet the actual Center.

    There is no other way out...thank God!

    You are, thereby, disabled from thinking any higher than your criteria. Man cannot invent criteria greater than himself. (Care to try?) Most man-made criteria rises no higher than his pubic hair. Results: Choices resulting in mediocrity - and much much worse.

    Still learning? See Psalm 119:1-176 for openers...

    Not learning? Lotsa luck. You do get to choose what you want, but you do not get to decide what is True. You will be weighed in the balances of your own choices - and found wanting.

    "We have the gift of an inner liberty so far- reaching that we can choose either to accept or reject the God who gave it to us, and it would seem to follow that the Author of a liberty so radical wills that we should be equally free in our relationships with other men. Spiritual liberty logically demands conditions of outer and social freedom for its completion."
    Edmund A. Opitz

    semper fidelis
    vincit veritas
    Posted by Choicemaker  on  08/01  at  04:35 PM
  6. What is this, Tim City?

    Makinson, I lstened to Hitler and Goebbels on the radio as a boy and they were saying the same things Hitchins and Dawkins are saying today. Does that mean they are pracicing genocide? No, not yet. But, they are saying it all the same. You're the LIAR if you deny that truth. You disagree with Robertson so he is a bigot. You are protective of homosexual perversion as 'natural,' so you are kind and those who disagree are cruel and heartless, no fewelings, etc.

    As much as anything, you are in a self- justfication mode since the only GOD says LYING, perversion, and faking religion and life are sins, etc. Cover-up takes many forms and you have found a few for yourself. It is called iconic humanism.

    Your narrow frame of reference is limited to left and right. Mr. Brewton is a conserving Centerist ala 1776. Count me in, too! Such documents and their Principles can hardly be improved save by way of maintenance and increased application of self-controlled Liberty and expanded responsible Freedom.

    At this point, your self-imposed definition of 'human' is corrupt and needful of Biblical correction. For now, your own ego is thoughtlessly dominant and may increase your opportunities to learn the hard way. HA, lotsa luck.

    semper fidelis
    vincit veritas
    Posted by Choicemaker  on  08/01  at  05:01 PM
  7. Tim Williams writes:
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/08  at  01:33 PM
  8. (cont.)

    The story of the native-American is grossly over-simplified and one-sided; giving the impression Amerindians were systematically slaughtered just because white Christians wanted to steal land and had it in their power to kill. Actual tallies of white versus Indian deaths by warfare and massacre are roughly equal and the use of guns by red-men was not that much less than whites during these conflicts. Death by encroachment is arguably larger but indeterminate. Death by disease has been shown to be the main cause native population shrank from 12-million to less than a million; with all other causes accounting for no more than a few percent. Much of this depopulation had already occurred by the time the U.S. broke free of England; causing many naturalists at the time to remark a change. Still, there was a great deal of tension in the tract of land between the Appalachians and Mississippi owing to encroachment. Yet, it was Indians more than whites that launched campaign after campaign breaking the tenuous peace. It is hard to say at this remove who was right and who was making up excuses for what happened. All that is certain, is it was a war Indians could not win; resulting instead in an acceleration of their displacement and depopulation which they might have avoided had they, instead, assimilated. Indians had a declining population just as white immigration from Europe was ramping up, so that no matter how many whites they killed they would still end up being displaced. If you subtract out those killed in mutual non-religious conflict, those who died for the highly progressive notion all men should be free, and those who died from indirect effects of competition, the real number of ethnic/culture based murders for the United States during the period of its greatest religious flowering was less than 100,000. This looks like a big number, but is really quite small as the next section illustrates.

    The strongest data assembled by a proponent of the idea power alone kills is Dr. R.J. Rummel at the University of Hawaii (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/). Rummel is no friend of religion and argues technology has given us unlimited power to kill
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/08  at  01:38 PM
  9. (cont.)

    The Christian bible calls for a reordering of society along the same lines as Judaism with minor changes; mainly emphasizing greater forgiveness and piety. The stories of Jesus
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/08  at  01:48 PM
  10. (cont.)

    Socialism (communism, fascism, & syndicalism) is collectively responsible for deaths running into the hundreds of millions (perhaps as many as 1-billion) in the last century. Islam, over a period of 13 centuries, has been responsible for deaths at least in the tens of millions and maybe hundreds of millions. Christianity, over a period of 20 centuries, is demonstrably responsible for no more than 6-8 million deaths, and then only by including quite a few people killed by Christians for reasons other than belief or not mainly belief (Rummel, for some reason, is less discriminate placing these in his
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/08  at  01:51 PM
  11. Tim Makinson has deliberately twisted the remark made by the author (which merely notes a similarity of technique) in order to make it seem the author is engaged in slander. He needs to reread the article and the particular statements in context; not in the context he's trying to force them into. It is clear from Mr. Makinson
    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  08/09  at  07:06 PM
  12. No man can rise above his ego and invent criteria greater than himself. The only Person greater than any man is GOD, the Creator. Thus, unless the ego is displaced by a recognition of Superiority, he cannot be sufficiently moral to deserve the appelation.

    Those who are moral will be the first to admit and claim it - to the Glory of GOD.

    Our false center is the single greatest cause of failure in human experience. 'Religion' and man-made morals won't replace it. The fundamental recognition and concessaion to Superiority is singularly capable of displacement. He alone is The Center of all things - including the self.

    The Jews were chosen by GOD for many reasons - to bless the human family as GOD's outlet to mankind. In addition, as a people of seed through whom The Messiah would come. (The Old Testament contains over 300 messianic prophecies, each one of which were fulfilled in Y'shua JESUS.) NT selah

    jot & tittle !

    semper fidelis
    vincit veritas
    Psalm 25:12 kjv

    Note: Roman Catholicism still maintains a priesthood, which ended when JESUS died and the veil at the Holy of Holies parted.
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  01/11  at  09:55 AM
  13. The common failure of critics, politicos, and religionists, is their openly-expressed confessed practice of measuring value (human) and non-value by the group. Using only plural terms, they weigh human value/non- and behaviors "by the ton." Nothing could be more inaccurate and purposely so! All collectivism is wrong.

    Re-read the above criticisms and defenses and note and record all plural references - then start tossing. All collectivism is wrong.

    Why? Because there are only individuals. Plural terms are mere conveniences - not accurate (and fair) words of Reality. Condemnation by the group is extreme in every respect. Virtue & exaltation by the group is unearned "by every single individual of said group." All collectivism is wrong!

    Solution? Measure only by individuals. (Value & non-value.) An accuracy rate will increase by double-digits!

    All collectivism is wrong.

    semper fidelis
    vincit veritas
    a follower of The Lion of Judah
    Posted by Jim Baxter  on  04/26  at  10:41 AM
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